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Veg DC Patriot Acts!

Secret banishments, gross censorship, revisionist histories, written torture, public and private lies, abuse of power, profound silliness, amazing arrogance, and much much more.....

"Fascism is not defined by the number of its victims, but by the way it kills them." --- Jean-Paul Sartre

"Democracy is the opposite of totalitarianism, communism, fascism, or mobocracy." --- Frank Lloyd Wright

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever.
" - Noam Chomsky

"Power does not corrupt men; fools, however, if they get into a position of power, corrupt power." - George Bernard Shaw
Veg DC Patriot Act: where "ignorance is bliss."
Veg DC Patriot Act: the unfortunate truth behind the Veg-DC List.


Anonymous Dandylying said...

I think it's wrong of you to post all this stuff about the Veg-DC List Owners.

You are so naiive. You don't realize the incredible amount of time and effort they devote to making so many decisions on a myriad of issues every minute of every day in their tireless attempts to keep the Veg-DC List members protected from outside influence and inside harm. That's why it now takes two. It's gotten so difficult.

Think of how tough it must be to figure out a perfect e-mail footer, or to successfully mangle and obfuscate the Veg-DC charter so that it's now ambiguous and self-contradictory.

Then think of how hard it is to read every list post in a timely fashion, evaluate it thoroughly for being on topic, not flaming, having an acceptable signature block, and only "safe" website addresses. And on top of all this, a new List Owner must respond to all Posts, even if the response is only "kewl." Now THAT'S a demanding and thankless job.

It's amazing that the List Owners find time to sleep.

However, your posting on-topic on the List wasn't the problem and you know it. It's that you might have NOT posted on-topic. The List Owners knew this, and that your 9-year track record on the List of being one of the most prolific posters meant nothing. What you did on another list 10 years ago, now THAT's significant. Yeah, they haven't proved it was you who attempted that bounced post, it's just that you could have, and that's all that matters.

So, please stop wasting their time with reality. Yeah, so what if one of the List Owners acknowledged she was confusing private and public posts with you, and explicitly wrote to you and said that she probably did the same thing with Carrie. That's not a severe & debilitating psychological problem, just inconvenient (and ill-advised when operating heavy machinery).

The point of the matter is that the List Members should not know that mistakes were made. It's important that the List trust the Owners implicitly. To do otherwise would be immature.

Support Whirrled Peas!

Sincerely, Dandylying

11/29/2005 1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I resent any implications that one of the Veg-DC List Owners has, well, problems.

I've known her for years.

She's been on disability for awhile now, spending all day every day at home, far from the DC-Area with or without medication, and that doesn't have any impact on her ability to decide stuff, or think clearly.

Despite some of her posts to the List (and private posts as well), she's doing fine and there shouldn't be any focus on the above as regards to her ability to be an competent Veg-DC co-List Owner.

I just wanted to post this to help "clear the air" about matters in general.

She's a good person, and she means well, no matter what's happened to Carrie.


Sally B. Guud SBG@geemail.com

11/29/2005 4:33 PM  
Anonymous MaxyMoron said...

You just don't understand.

Each regional list is like a [expletive deleted] party. You don't like it, you [expletive deleted] leave. If you are nice and bow down to my List Owners, you will be allowed the tremendous priviledge of staying (even if the party's gone on for years and people have kind of moved in). All List Owners are carefully not vetted (no matter what what kind of experience they don't have). That's what makes it all so exciting!

How dare you mock the integrity and wisdom of my List Owners... my Exalted List Owners are perfect in their non-experienced judgement, and if they are not, it's not their fault or mine. Sometimes people drink too much at a party, but the host is still the host. It's not a community of compassionate human beings. It's a [expletive deleted] party, that's all. So what if Carrie pleaded for an explanation and was hurt? [additional lack of compassion statement deleted]

All my Lists are not democractic, but neither are they fascist. They are something inbetween. [cheap shot by moderator deleted] So what if a List Owner loses her temper and wrongly removes a member? I'm [expletive deleted] busy. Setting these Lists up 10 years ago takes a lot of my time every day now, and costs a lots of money spent back then, today, too.

And even though we couldn't prove you attempted that [expletive deleted] post, tell you what specifically is wrong in your blog, or what you did in Public Posts that was against our Royal Charter, it's all sufficient grounds for being removed from Our Sacred List. That you've been one of the most prolific posters on the Veg-DC list for close to a decade means nothing. [stupid comments about Sci-Veg deleted]

Now excuse me. I've other trivial matters to attend to. I'm running out of dips.

GIGO, MaxyMoron


11/29/2005 4:36 PM  
Anonymous Whizzie Ashcroft said...

We are tired of reading these comments again and again and again and again and again.

I have warned you many many many many many times that your blog is an offense to Our Rule at Veg-DC. Even though We haven't found the time to point out what's inaccurate in your blog regarding Veg-DC, that doesn't mean it's all correct. That We say it is should suffice.

We are not pleased, too, that you feel I'm not qualified to be a List Owner. Certainly my years of silly nonsensical and monosyllabic posts should be evidence of otherwise.

I hereby ban you from the Veg-DC List a fifth time, and demand that you not use your blog URL in any posts anywhere in the known Internet universe.

That'll teach you! We will also ban anyone mentioning your name anywhere... we have to protect our Sacred List from any negative influences that might occur but haven't yet.

Fundamentally yours, Little Whizzie

p.s.- Maxymoron's comment was really funny, but please don't tell Chewbecca I said so... she's finally calmed down. I owe her so so much for giving me such power and responsibility that I know she's always right.

p.s.s. - please delete the above at least twice to make sure she doesn't read it. Thanks!

p.s.s.p. - please delete the above, too.


11/29/2005 5:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you really think people are reading these comments?

I spend all day every day at home online and I'm on many many e-mail lists. I can tell you that people aren't... I ask everyone I know and everyone anywhere that's online. I spend all my time checking this out and look at your blog frequently.

Veg-DC is all I have in my life and I know what's best for my List Children.

No one cares what you think. No one believes you. They know that mommy knows best. Anyone who disagrees with me needs mental help.

I think you are obsessed and should get a life.

Chewbecca Ravin


11/30/2005 7:30 AM  
Anonymous VAV said...

I am on a lot of veg lists. After reading your posts,lurking on the List, I am appalled at the behavior of the Veg-DC List Owners.

They do not deserve the responsibility they have been given.

Who gave them these positions?

Very Angry Vegan

11/30/2005 10:43 AM  
Anonymous BW said...

Since the Veg-DC List Owners are obviously out of control, and answer to no one regarding their actions:

Why bother?

If the List Members are too timid or stupid to try and do something about this, what does it matter?

Here's a list that's been around for almost 10 years and only has 150 or so members (in one of the most populous metro areas in the country). There's got to be a problem. The numbers are truly pathetic.

Having been on the List, and watched it for a few years, it's clearly in decline. Mindless babble and wasted posts about silly things.

Don't waste your time doing this Blog. It's a waste of time. The List Owner's have their lives wrapped-up and so emotionally dependent with this list that they've obviously lost all perspective. It's their social outlet, and crutch.

Put your energy into something more promising. Fanning the flames of a funeral pyre is a waste of time.

Something to think about...

Beyond Wisdom

11/30/2005 10:24 PM  
Anonymous Will B. Vegun said...

It's really pathetic to see the List Owner now sending out e-mails in the wee hours of the morning to friends of yours and others, and lie or distort the truth behind you phone call compromise attempt, behavior on the phone, and your posts.

I'm glad you told me that you had a friend listening in. That was a good idea.

How obsessive this L.O. is! And the selective truth-telling... amazing...

I'm stunned that you've kept your temper and not hired a lawyer. Clearly, the e-mails are libelous. I've known you for years, and you'd never behave the way the L.O. has described.

But then, the L.O. has done the same thing on the List and to friends not known widely to be yours, too... blown personal correspondence and stuff out of proportion, like some sort of exponential exaggeration that increases every day, building upon each previous false statement. The L.O. is outta control.

Just so so, well, sad.

I hope the e-mails sent to me by the L.O. that I sent to you help. You may have to use them in the near future.


12/01/2005 6:24 PM  
Anonymous Doris said...

I just heard from a mutual friend that the List Owner has left angry and abusive messages on your phone mail, even after she asked you not to e-mail her ever again.

She also has sent insulting and lie-ridden e-mails to your friends, family, and clients? What's her problem?

This is awful. I'm amazed you haven't posted about these incidents.

I hope you are well. Maybe she'll get bored and go rant elsewhere. I hope you've saved copies of the e-mails and messages. Can't imagine why she's doing these things.

Some people just can't leave well enough alone. Let's hope she calms down and leaves you alone.

In solidarity.... Doris

12/02/2005 10:37 PM  
Anonymous Insightful Veg said...

What? The Veg-DC list only has over 125 members? After NINE years?

Clearly something is wrong. Nuts, the Vegetarian Society of DC has near 900 members.

Hey Veg-DC Listowners: get a clue!

Insightful Veg

12/06/2005 7:07 PM  
Anonymous Shocked said...

Get this. I posted an e-mail on another List saying how much I enjoyed your blog.

Later, I got an e-mail from the VDC List Owner criticizing you! Is this obsesseive or what?

12/09/2005 8:58 AM  
Anonymous Also shocked said...

You too, huh? I posted about your blog on a Yahoo Group and the same List Owner that you wrote about e-mailed me offlist about you.

Rants, ravings. What weird behavior. Must think she owns the Internet. Can't believe it.

You're right. It's obsessive.

12/31/2005 12:20 PM  

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